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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 20, 2012 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I think John Kadlecik is awesome! I saw him several times with DSO, and each time I was very impressed with his abilities. However, I first saw DSO in '06 or '07, and they had already been touring extensively as a band for roughly 10 years. John was so comfortable as the front man at that point, and just so loose and comfortable performing with the same musicians for so long. Since he's been recruited by Furthur, I feel he's had to once again learn to become comfortable with a new group of musicians who he's not quite familiar enough with yet to totally open up.

Obviously it's easier to join a band that plays songs just like they sound on the album. To be the new guy in a “jam band” requires a lot more skill, patience, and practice, and in addition to JK not being as comfortable as he was as frontman of DSO (although he is getting better with this), I feel he's reluctant to be too upfront for fear of stepping on Phil and Bob's toes. He knows Phil and Bob's importance to the fans overshadows his own, and it seems he's very cautious to not overshadow them, whereas in DSO he didn't have to worry about about others being perceived as more important than him. He could just pour it all out and play like he wanted to.

In general, I've found JK's playing in Furthur to be more subdued than it was with DSO, however he does have some moments where he steps up and delivers a powerful performance (I've witnessed some excellent Dews). Personal preferences certainly factor into the equation as well. I definitely prefer Jeff Mattson over John Kadlecik. Mattson has been doing incredible performances of Grateful Dead songs for awhile now. You should check out his work with the Zen Tricksters. Even in the early '90s he was amazing. Here's just a sample of his earlier work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O81K-gyhdJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RQpine7pI&;feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX2_BmPpEFE&;feature=plcp&context=C36ab74dUPOEgsToPDskJbFhZrIDxpBz1SxHczOQ3E

DSO has been performing together non-stop for quite awhile now and they are just incredibly tight. And amazingly, Mattson settled right in with DSO and didn't really need time to adjust. While Phil and Bob have played a whole lifetime worth of music together, they haven't totally clicked together since Jerry died, and I hate to say this but I feel that Bob holds the band back. Anyway, those are my two cents. I definitely recommend catching a DSO show if you haven't seen them with Mattson.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 20, 2012 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

Good stuff. Thx for the links!

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Jan 20, 2012 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMU9f2pim4

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 21, 2012 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

There was a business plan in place in the 90s for a post Grateful Dead touring destination in San Francisco to be labeled "Terrapin Station". The originators of this concept and the proposed investors got cold feet and the project was shelved.

This was intended to be the ultimate “Dead Head Disneyland” a combined concept of virtual live Grateful Dead concert re-enactments such as DSO, some archive trophy displays that are now on display at UC Santa Cruz and other concert venue type amenities.

With all the Furthur, Phil & Friends, and DSO conversation recently why are there so few artists breaking any new musical ground today? Indeed, the internet has fragmented the music industry, but if Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber can fill stadiums, there must still be unlimited possibilities and an available audience somewhere out there.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 20, 2012 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

thank you Charlie

http://www.archive.org/details/dso2003-09-04_16bit

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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Jan 21, 2012 1:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I'd find Furthur more enjoyable if Bob would stop singing the Jerry songs. OH, and Phil would stop singing the Jerry songs.

I've seen Furthur twice, and I think I'm done. DSO is much cheaper, at better (smaller) venues, and people are pretty friendly (but people were really nice at Furthur shows as well).

Plus "Bob" only sings Bob songs at DSO shows :D

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Poster: huntr Date: Jan 21, 2012 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I feel the same.. bobby and to a lesser degree phil should turn over more vocals to JK

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Poster: huntr Date: Jan 21, 2012 7:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

P.S...

that said.. I went to see Panic for NYE

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 21, 2012 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I agree about Bob (sing less), but I love when Phil sings.

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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Jan 21, 2012 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

I like when Phil sings Phil songs, but man, he should NOT be singing Eyes of the World :D

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2012 5:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

The only Further GD song I thought Phil did quite well was Franklins.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 21, 2012 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: furthur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHgIhgGb7LM but this guy blows either of the dso guitarists away

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 25, 2012 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur is holding Bob back

"I hate to say this but I feel that Bob holds the band back"

After watching Ratdog perform tonight, I needed to correct the above statement I made. Furthur is actually holding Bob back. I think Phil and Bob are better off with their own side projects, as they were prior to Furthur.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-01-26 03:20:22

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2012 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur is holding Bob back

makes sense, he also needs more Kimock :)